[ Daughter, Mother, Woman ] Talia al Ghul, in my opinion, is one of the best female characters to be found in DC Comics. Ignoring all the crap that was Grant Morrison’s runs, Talia is a woman that is clearly a character not characterized by power, by hate, and by politics but by love. Her actions and her decisions are often made out of the love for her father, love for Bruce Wayne, and love for her son. And the fact that it’s not just a single instance in which she had blurred the lines between family loyalty and loyalty for love in context as independent woman in order to do what she sees is right, (using the Pit for Jason despite knowing her father’s views, mourning for Bruce, using the resources she has to heal Damian when he broke his spine), should hint to people that this is only the surface to how much love she has for those she considers important to her.
Talia al Ghul is a damn strong woman and nothing will get in her way when it comes to loving her family. Not even the world.
Send me a cup of coffee.Espresso: Describe your usual morning routine.
Decaf: Impersonate one of your friends.
Macchiato: Name two things you think go well together and why.
Latte: List three aspects of your personality that you love.
Flat White: Confess the most recent crime you committed.
Iced: Make the weirdest face you can.
Cappuccino: Describe your ideal wedding.
Drip: Post a photo of a stuffed animal you own.
Mocha: Name one of your guilty pleasures.
Doppio: List two of your dream travel locations and why.
Black: Recall the worst insult you've ever received.
Americano: Post a photo of your favorite outfit.
Kopi: Describe an incident when you tried something new.
the best/worst part of that post is that people just do not understand that no one ever said DC is perfect. If I’m saying Marvel fucks up, I’m not implying DC doesn’t!
But the last THREE YEARS (three years to the day, as a matter of fact) has been literally nothing but piling on DC for the smallest thing so it’s about time Marvel got some as well. Especially when they deserve it
You forget, tumblr doesn’t think movies existed before the MCU. Okay, some people go all the way back to Singers X-men for Marvel, and Nolan’s Batman movies were the start of DC)
(sidenote: I want both Marvel and DC to do more movies with non-white and female heroes too, I just don’t ignore that movies based on female and non-white comic characters are a thing that’s happened before)
those all exist, that’s for sure, but there’s something to be said for the fact that all of those franchises are either defunct or haven’t happened yet. Telling them to go “well we have this one movie from 10 years ago” isn’t very fair when several come out a year.
The last Star Wars movie came out nearly ten years ago. If a friend asked you to recommend him or her a good sci-fi/epic fantasy movie would you tell him to avoid watching the series because “the last movie came out nearly ten years ago when several (mediocre) sci-fi movies come out each year”? Makes perfect sense. It’s like willingly forgetting to mention ER when discussing Medical Dramas with a TV show fan. Yes, they might be old, but I love the Blade Trilogy and if someone asked me to recommend them a good superhero movie with a poc main character, I go straight at for that.
It is, but having seen it a couple of times, I can see why the pulled it. Glad to have it now though.
True. Going from hot and heavy against the door to slow and sensual? I can see how it might be confusing. Maybe?
Not confusing. But it slows down the moment, and when you only have so many minutes, you want the moments with the most energy in the final cut.
Personally, I think it’s completely anticlimantic, badly lit and overall, I’m glad they pulled it. Seriously, really really glad. It lacks the energy of the final edit, the sense of wonder that leaves you hanging and also… I think the original scene, the one that made it to the final cut, is way hotter than this. Sorry, I’d prefer to watch the original cut + the beginning of After the Storm than seeing this scene in the ep.
Other than the lighting, which I think is consistent with the setup and the earlier scene, I agree. That moment needed the punch, the energy. This is the moment AFTER that energy, and it takes out the punch.
That said, I’m glad we have it as a deleted scene. I like having the knowledge in my head that in those moments they were soft and sweet and shy. That’s new infuriating I didn’t have before, and that makes me happy.
But yes, it was cut (save the bit of her touching his face which was edited into the final cut) for a reason. Definitely.
Also, I have to admit it, it goes completely against my headcanon of that night: I’ve always thought that their first round was one of those moments of fast, hurried, adrenaline-fuelled, life affirming kind of sex. That the second round was the sweet, slow and shy. And the third one in the shower, because there’s no way you can explain her hair in the beginning of After The Storm, if you don’t insert a shower somewhere during the night. That’s one tiny part of the larger number of reasons I didn’t like this scene much.
See, I kind of like that they are all shy and sweet. It’s cute, and thinking about it, more n character with how they are with each other, that it gets more energetic as they get comfortable. They are shy and amazed and wonder struck with each other in general, so it kind of works for me that they are more like this at first.
That said, you bring up a really great point, which is actually one of the point that I think Terri made back in the beginning, if not, certainly I think Andrew Marlowe did. Effectively, that what ever they showed in that regard, it wasn’t going to match what some of us thought that moment would be like in our minds. And sometimes, that’s why it’s better to just leave the audience with the jumping off point. Because when you do that, then the scene can from that point go anywhere. It’s limitless. Once you show the moment, that’s what the moment is. The options have been whittled down to one.
So basically the moment that you don’t know about, is often times a better one. Because it can be anything you want it to be, without limits. The one that is specific? Might please some, and be radically different for others.
You know, I also have a couple of doubts about this scene because… let’s just say it, in real life it wouldn’t work. I vouch for that, I’ve been in an LDR for seven years, I still am, everytime I see my boyfriend (even if I should say fiancè at this point, since we’re getting married in 2016), even after just a week, it’s a clothes flying, shut the front door kind of moment (damn the handles sometimes hurt like hell) and it’s fast and I don’t want to go into details but yes, hot, fast and life-affirming describe the feeling pretty well. Those two have 4 years of UST,they just had a big fight, she nearly died for what? the fifteth time? They’re like a loaded spring, there’s too much energy coiled, like an over-charged battery, the pressure built for such a long time that they’re nearly exploding, there’s tension that needs to be released. They’re not teenagers at their first experience, they’re full grown adults that hadn’t had sex for a year each, more for Castle I think, if I don’t get any for ten days I get cranky and frustrated, you think the two of them could act that way? Nah, that’s why the scene that made it into the episode really, really works: it’s pure adrenaline and it’s incredibly realistic.
The extended one we got yesterday is amazing, it’s nice, sweet, shy, loving and it works perfectly… in another context. It works wonders if you place it at the end of Still. That would be the perfect spot, or even In The Belly Of The Beast, when she needs to thaw a little bit. It would work amazingly after the wedding (hoping that with the new budget they’d get to show us one) (oh, can you imagine how fun it would be to watch them taking off their wedding dress and suit?), and why not, it’s the perfect, in-character “the test was positive” sex.
Maybe I’m just splitting hairs over, I’m being over-critic about it, but as a wanna-be writer I tend to look at this kind of scenes really carefully, story and writing wise. Also, seriously, personal life put a filter on the way I see things and it’s very thick and sometimes I find it really really hard to take it away.
I wish Batman was depicted like this more often. Many of his villains are mentally ill and victims of tragic circumstances, it would be nice to see him try to help them as much as he helps the people they put in danger because of their problems.
I tear up every time I watch this show. “I had a bad day too, once.”
Best version of Batman. Best version of Harley.
I prefer Batman when he wasn’t a ultra-paranoid nutjob.
This this one thousand times this! What I freaking hate is that that crazy, joyless version of Batman is considered the “default” or even “better” version because of stuff like shitty writers (oh hi there Frank Miller) and the Nolanverse movies, which in themselves are a deconstruction of that version of Batman. Nolanverse Batman is unsustainable. Nolanverse Batman is completely without a lot of his support network for the majority of the trilogy. Nolanverse Batman pushes people away and ends up having to stop being a superhero in order to reclaim his humanity. That is practically skywriting saying “comics Batman is obviously different to this, this is an interesting AU.” I truly love the Nolanverse movies, I think they’re brilliant, but god do I hate it when they’re misinterpreted into comics canon. Also, Nolanverse Batman isn’t full-on crazy joyless Batman either; he quips, he teases people, he fucking smiles.
Bruce Wayne’s Batman is one of, quite possibly foremost of, my favourite superheroes, but not for any of the reasons that seem to be glorified about him in those psychotic versions. Yes, he gets obsessive. Yes, he is an utter control freak. And those are his flaws, not his strengths.
You wanna talk to me about Batman’s strengths? Talk to me about the fact that he’s the adopted single father of five kids (yes I’m counting Damian because the way he was brought into the family is analogous to adoption).
Talk to me about the fact half of his information networks are made up of ex-cons he’s rehabilitated into education programs where they flourish, and the other half are Arkham inmates who he acknowledges as the leaders in their field. Talk to me about the fact that most of the time, they’re willing to give him the information he needs.
Talk to me about the fact that he became a superhero out of the self-awareness that the trauma of losing his parents so mentally scarred him that he knows he can never be well-adjusted, but he wants to use his warped perspective to do some good so no child will ever have to endure what he did again.
Talk to me about the fact that he became a governor on the board of Arkham Asylum not to persecute but to protect the inmates, because even though they perpetrate utterly abhorrent acts they are still people with rights and even the capability to one day reform.
Talk to me about how many times he’s paid for Harvey’s surgery, and the fact that Harvey still refers to Bruce as his one friend who’s always stood by him.
Talk to me about him sponsoring Harley’s parole and laughed as she backflipped with joy.
Talk to me about the fact that, because he knows he can get stupidly stubborn and out-of-control, he surrounds himself with people who refuse to take his crap (Alfred, Babs, Selina, Dick, Jim, Leslie, etc) because he knows sometimes he needs to be stopped.
The real Batman is not some psychotic sadist who hates people and never smiles.
The real Batman is a grumpy socially awkward dad with badass friends, plenty of issues but also a moral compass, a strong belief in human rights and the ability to reform… with a soft spot for people as maladjusted as him.
Accept no substitutes.
Reblogging this again for the glorious commentary. This is Batman. THIS.
Actually you can do both! What a concept! That women can be intelligent as well as sexually active! And we don’t live in the goddamn 18th century and women don’t have to be pure little virgin housewives if they don’t want to! Oh my gosh!